Delete button on keyboard should be able to delete tasks, categories, etc.
with a Task selected in the Task Pane, I would expect the Delete button on the keyboard would delete the task. Perhaps delete confirmation could be a default, with the ability to suppress the confirmation and delete the item as soon as the delete button is pressed. Undo would still be there for folks that have turned off confirmation yet have delete regret.
Original request was completed a while ago, forgot to close this request.
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Gladdy commented
Added my votes...
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Gladdy, that isn't possible at the moment because the tasks (or notes, or categories) are always sorted according to some attribute. We would need to implement the "Better control over task order" (http://uservoice.com/a/8QfXz) feature request first.
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Gladdy commented
Frank, I meant "here" as in where the highlighted row is. Pasting as subitem only dumps it somewhere inside an item and you still have to search for it and drag and drop it in the right place inside an item. Having a "Paste as subitem here." option would eliminate the need for that as all you'd have to do is click where you wanted the pasted subitem to appear and paste it.
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Gladdy, it's a Sourceforge bug. If you first login to Sourceforge (https://sourceforge.net/account/login.php) then the link works.
I'm not really sure what you mean by "here". Paste as subitem pastes the item as subitem of the selected item. "here" is the selected item, which becomes the parent of the pasted item.
Thanks, Frank
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Gladdy commented
Frank, there's something wrong with SF or your project settings; I wanted to add some of this there originally but all I got was a blank page then and it's the same now. Using this link via your site: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=130831&atid=719134 I get a blank page with nothing in the source. I tried directly via SF and got the same thing.
I know about paste/paste as subitem (I mentioned it in the third paragraph). I guess what I want is a "Paste as subitem HERE" option, which would take into account the highlighted position and paste a subitem there, eliminating the need for manual rearranging of every pasted item. Three-key shortcuts should really only be reserved for practically never-used functions and only when all the other keys have been exhausted. They're just too inconvenient when you have to use both hands.
Regarding the Delete key shortcut, great!
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@Gladdy,
"Paste" pastes the item on the clipboard as top-level item. "Paste as subitem" pastes the item as subitem of the selected item. I think that is what you are looking for. It's in the Edit menu. The keyboard shortcut for paste as subitem is Shift-Ctrl-V.
With respect to clearing the clipboard after pasting: I agree that that is a bug. Please open a bug report for that on Sourceforge so we can track it.
And to come back to the Delete keyboard shortcut, I've got that working for all viewers. Will be part of release 1.2.11.
Cheers, Frank
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Gladdy commented
Frank, great news, thanks! I'm a Windows user, btw.
And yea, copy/pasting is what I'm doing now. But the problems with that are that a copied task is by default always dumped as an orphan below the second task on the list. I have no idea what the logic behind that is, but whatever I try, for me pasted tasks always wind up there. Logically they'd wind up below the highlighted task, but that never works. So if I use that, I have to hunt around for where the pasted task appeared (hard to spot too if you don't know exactly what you pasted and your tasks use the same colors) and manually drag it into the right position.
The second major annoyance is that duplication via copy/paste only works once. For some reason, once paste is executed, the data gets cleared off the clipboard, so if you want to duplicate a bunch of tasks, you keep having to copy/paste, copy/paste, copy/paste... instead of copying once and pasting as often as desired (which is the norm).
Combined, these two issues make copy/pasting tasks a real PITA, which is only somewhat mitigated by having the "Paste as subitem" option - which still requires manual dragging and dropping into the desired position within a task.
All of the above issues would be avoided if copy/pasting put the pasted items below the highlighted task and if copied tasks stayed on the clipboard until overridden by something else. And going for gold - if the pasted tasks would blink a few times or make themselves apparent in some other noticeable way (maybe via a balloon text or hovering notification text that would expire in a few seconds), because if you paste a task among the existing tasks with all the same formatting, it's practically impossible to distinguish what was just pasted and what's been there before.
Thanks for all your hard work and for considering my suggestions for improvement!
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@Gladdy Thanks for your elaboration and change of tone; much appreciated.
I looked into the Delete key and the next release will support Delete for deleting tasks. I'd like to make the Delete key work in all viewers, but that's a bit more work and remains to be done. I also looked into using Insert and Shift-Insert (instead of Ctrl-Insert and Shift-Ctrl-Insert) for adding new tasks but that will only work on Windows. I have no idea why it doesn't work for Linux and Mac OS X. Anyway, users on those platform will have to keep using (Shift-)Ctrl-N as shortcut for creating new tasks.
I can understand that some of the characteristics of Task Coach may be illogical to you. Part of the explanation is that Task Coach is developed by two developers in their spare time. So we have to make choices what to work on. And another part of the explanation may be that there are technical limitations that can make things appear illogical, like there was/is in this case.
With respect to your "Duplicate option". Did you try copying a task and then pasting it? Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V?
Thanks, Frank
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Gladdy commented
Sorry about that, but after reading so much praise for TC I just couldn't believe how frustrating my initial experience with it was - hardly anything worked as you'd expect it to work and how things normally work in similar apps. There's just too much that's illogical or downright at odds with usability. Just not something you'd expect from a mature app, sorry.
For instance, why isn't there a Duplicate option for every task that would place a dupe right below the original one? That'd be the easiest and most logical way to quickly create new tasks based on existing ones without having to resort the templates in the middle. And that's really just one of so many oversights that a mature app like this just shouldn't have any more.
Anyway, thanks for reading and looking into the Del key - just getting that in would save me a lot of frustration because even though I know it doesn't work in TC, I keep pressing it - because it's the established deletion key in every other program.
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There was a specific reason why the keyboard shortcut isn't simply the Delete key. I can't remember what exactly though and the reason may well have vanished. I'll take a look.
@Gladdy I would prefer if you'd use a more neutral tone. Thanks.
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Gladdy commented
How it's possible that this isn't in is beyond me - the whole app feels broken with such basic oversights like this. Or not being able to right-click anywhere in the blank areas to get the basic menu with Paste & New Task... or being able to custom-sort the categories via drag/drop... good grief, usability really took the back seat with this app.